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MirageMaster · Jul 03, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

GW sucks now,anet ruined it beyond belive.Anet can forget about GW2,ppl who got brains wont buy it,it offers nothing new or exciting.lol anet even found a way to screw GWEN for me since charr wont be a faction like that stupid azura or damn nords.Forums arent for expressing anything other then asskisisng devs,did i mentioned that loading times suck on this board lol.

Linksys · Jul 03, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

To original post:

Well I think no matter how much an online game has, there will be some people who will finish everything. They'll run their gameplay until there's not much left no matter what. Your pace of gameplay is simply faster than the rate at which Anet can come up with more stuff to do. But for most gamers that wouldn't be the case.

dargon · Jul 03, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

Now, having given my background.
I would like to express my dissapointment in the recent announcements and changes to those announcements. In the PC Gamer Magazine I was excited about changes being introduced in GW:EN, most particularly I was happy about the level cap being increased for existing level 20 characters. Being able to develop my older characters beyond their current strengths and abilities was the most appealing to me.

Much as I hate to say it, it's not ANet's fault that a) PCGamer decided to split the articles on EotN and GW2 up into multiple pieces and then start one before the other was finished. b) you couldn't follow the above and realize that the changing level cap is coming in GW2, not EotN. As far as character development goes, your characters will be learning new things in EotN, 150 new skills dwarven bareknuckle boxing, more titles (some of which will probably have an effect much like lucky and wisdom do on lockpicks). So tell me, how is this not improving / developing your character?

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

I wont even go into the fact that the skills that make the game the most fun are constantly "nerfed" due to pvp exploit. (I am a PvE player, exclusively)

Well then you'll be happy to know that of the 150 skills being added, 50 are exclusively PvE only skills

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

Right now what is there to do in GW besides grind more titles? Nothing.

Have you done every last quest in the game? I bet there are quite a few that you haven't done, for example Double Dog Dare. If you haven't done it, I double dog dare you to do it WITHOUT looking at a wiki.

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

Long before GW 2 is released, the veteran players will go in search of new lands to explore, new stories to experience, and new characters to play with. I'm quite sure WOW and other MMORPG's will be more than happy to absorb the runoff.

You do realize that ANet never intended for you to play Guild Wars exclusively right? This is why you can take a 1, 2, 3, or even longer break and when you come back your character is right where you left it with all your equipment, skills, etc. Go play another game, and when you're done come play GW again

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

I think Anet has cut its own throat, new people will continue to come and play, but those who have been faithful defenders of GW will be (and are) dropping off in droves.

Just because you don't like some of the changes, doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

O Blue O · Jul 03, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

So now Anet gets trashed for you getting your facts mixed up even?
GW2 = higher/no level caps. You thinking or even wishing it was something in GWEN does not make a changed promise by Anet.

Sounds to me as if your approach to "playing" a video game is the problem more than anything I read in your rant. It's suppose to be something fun not work.

I still don't understand the people who seem to think anyone owes you a game that you can play forever.

1. see my last response re: "development beyond level 20"

2. my approach is not up for debate, this is a forum...THE place to post your opinions, be they rants or raves, no?

3. the promises I refer to, would be the "expansion every 6 months" and numerous others, perhaps I misunderstood the quote in PC gamer. Regardless I am stating my dissapointment and some of you people are just being rediculous. Ever get frustrated and wish to express it? That is what I did, plain and simple. It is my opinion, that's all, I dont expect all the readers/posters to agree with it.

Mordakai · Jul 03, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

1. Direct quote from PC Gamer Magazine #161 page 028:

"Arenanet's first goal with Eye of the North is to "extend character development beyond level 20", says lead designer James Phinney"

Ahh, I can see how that could be misinterpreted. I took that to mean that the first goal of GWEN was to have exclusive Level 20 content, as opposed to other Chapters which focused on new professions and newbie areas first.

"Extend character development" means skills, stuff to do, etc. It's not a clear as it should be.

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

2. it's "Holier than thou" and I never claimed to be holier or better than anyone, whats wrong with stating my opinion? Stop being mean and allow me my moment of frustration, jeez.

Fixed.

That comment was more for Zinger than you.

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Never once did I say it must no longer interest anyone. In fact, I hope that GW 2 is amazing because I loved playing GW 1.

Me too.

Evilsod · Jul 03, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

coming from the most persistant whiner/complainer on the site

Am i missing something here? Or did you just COMPLETELY overlook the fact your sarcasm detector exploded?

I still don't see the attraction with a higher level cap... why is everyone so up in arms about it?

Quantum Duck · Jul 03, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

I guess I just don't understand this perspective on a fundamental level. There are many games I bought, played, enjoyed, and then put on a shelf when I was done. A few years later, a sequel came out, I remembered how good the previous entry in the series was, and I went out and bought it. Rinse, repeat for the last twenty years. Why does anyone expect a game to provide "something to do" for a hardcore player for the entire time it takes for them to make a sequel?

Last time I checked, the going rate for most games is about 40 hours for $50. RPGs are, for reasons I will probably never understand, expected to add enough pointless filler and grind to expand this to 80-100. Fine. Now we go online and everyone expects it to go straight into the 1000+ range for no extra cash? Why?

And before people point to tradition MMOs, I'm talking about content. Forcing us to repeat a tiny piece of content a few hundred times before moving to the next isn't adding more content. It's just extending the time for those who demand "something to do". People willing to pay for "something to do" every month or so get what they ask for. I just wanted a game worth the money I paid, and that's exactly what I got with each of the three GW chapters thus far.

And if I stop playing entirely before GW2 comes out, I'll still remember the good times and most likely pick it up off the shelf when I do see it. How does that hurt anyone?

sixdartbart · Jul 03, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by O Blue O

1. see my last response re: "development beyond level 20"

2. my approach is not up for debate, this is a forum...THE place to post your opinions, be they rants or raves, no?

3. the promises I refer to, would be the "expansion every 6 months" and numerous others, perhaps I misunderstood the quote in PC gamer. Regardless I am stating my dissapointment and some of you people are just being rediculous. Ever get frustrated and wish to express it? That is what I did, plain and simple. It is my opinion, that's all, I dont expect all the readers/posters to agree with it.

1. You misunderstood what this meant and what it says still holds true.

2. This is a public forum and everything put here will be "up for debate" BTW that was my "opinion"

3. I was referring to what you actually posted not what you are now looking back on and saying they lied about.
Anet has many things they can/should be criticized for but everything is not their fault {mostly what people wish or don't understand shouldn't be laid on their doorstep}
Hopefully for GW2 they will be smart enough to never give the community any info whatsoever about changes/upcoming projects or anything else because Grenth knows if anything they ever mention in passing or put out as an idea doesn't happen it will be a broken "promise".

Talk about ridiculous.

Winterclaw · Jul 03, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I disagree. GW2 will be more popular than the original Guild Wars, for the very reasons some people here despise the idea of it:

Higher level cap (BTW, not promised in GWEN. Ever.)

Mr. M, I have to disagree with your disagreement. The higher level cap will do more to drive away a lot of existing GW player who hate level treadmills and endless levelings. GW is one of the few games where the levels and numbers aren't outrageously padded and a lot of people like that. If they didn't it wouldn't have sold as many copies as it did.

When Anet raises the level cap of chars in GW2, the level cap of mobs will go up along with it. The power of skills will also grow to compsate for all those extra HP. Weapon damage will also have to go up. The time it takes to cap out will also increase.

However in the end, we'll be in the same place we are now, with people begging for a higher level cap which does nothing once they get to it which in turn makes them beg for another level cap.

Mordakai · Jul 03, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Mr. M, I have to disagree with your disagreement. The higher level cap will do more to drive away a lot of existing GW player who hate level treadmills and endless levelings. GW is one of the few games where the levels and numbers aren't outrageously padded and a lot of people like that. If they didn't it wouldn't have sold as many copies as it did.

I have to disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement.

For the record, I actually agree that Level Cap is good, and I'm a bit worried about increased level caps in GW2.

But I can't help but wonder if it didn't hurt GW more than it helped... a free to play MMORPG should have more than 3 million players. Period.

Leaving aside the argument of whether Level Caps are "good" or "bad", there is no doubt in my mind they cost Anet sales.

Or do you think Guild Wars 2 will have higher caps because Anet research showed it would cost them sales?

scrinner · Jul 03, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

one of the selling points For guildwars is the ability to leave and come back. Take a break. A LONG break and come back for annual events and stuff. Alot of guildwar players are doing that at the moment its perfectly fine mind you. Nobody expects you to play the same game for forever. Atleast here you can come and go at any time due to a lack of monthly fees.

What alot of people i know are doing is visiting fansites like Guru in their spare time while playing other games. Then return time to time to make sure their not falling behind the times.

And no I Refuse to comment on Zinger's second attempt to go to WOW.

ischuros · Jul 03, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Oh, we're like a little comunity, a dysfunctional one, but at least we know each other, i.e, YOU left for WoW, and YOU whine, so you're opinions are null and void.

The internet is fun.

Darksun · Jul 03, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

OMG, a whiner! Whining is not appreciated on these forums! I vote we tar and feather the OP and burn him at the stake for this heresy!

haha that's hilarious! oh wait.

Saying you don't like the game is fine. Saying you don't like what they chose to do is fine. Making up "facts" ie: people leaving in droves (even though we were told the # of players logging in is rising), GWEN increasing the level cap (this was never stated by ANET) is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And at the risk of dragging this good thread off topic with ad hominem attacks...yes, I have already switched to WoW, and am much happier.

What make this thread good? Yeah WoW is very different then GW. GW certainly not going to attend to the same things. If you're into that kinda game, anyone coulda told you that.

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Originally Posted by scrinner

And no I Refuse to comment on Zinger's second attempt to go to WOW.

Hmmm. Perspective...

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

For the record, I actually agree that Level Cap is good, and I'm a bit worried about increased level caps in GW2.

But I can't help but wonder if it didn't hurt GW more than it helped... a free to play MMORPG should have more than 3 million players. Period.

Yeah, I like & dislike the level cap. It makes things much more even & accessible, but it makes your character's progression more shallow. It is true that many people are used to a much higher level cap so I don't know how much it helped/hurt. You'd think a free to play MMO would have more people, but GW is very different from the average MMO in more than just the level cap.

Winterclaw · Jul 03, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I'm not sure if it's the level cap that is the problem, but a dangling carrot wouldn't hurt. IMO the fact that they are going head to head with blizzard who has a lot of rabid fans hurts their sales some. Another problem is that GW isn't everyone's cup of tea. Unless it is the newest DQ or FF release, most companies would be happy with 3 million units sold.

I can't say if the change is research based or not because I can't see it, but I will say that the net gain of players won't be as high as whatever their research suggests. They will lose a number of customers because of the change. Part of me thinks, they are looking at WoW and seeing the grass is greener over there, even though things are mostly fine in GW1.

The Legg · Jul 03, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Been playing GW since the beginning and I must say I have NEVER once been bored or found myself with nothinng to do in the game.

There are always exciting and inetresting challenges to be had in this game. Sure some poeple may get stuck in a rut and therefore get down and gloomy about trying something new.

When I find myself like that about PVE I switch back to one of the many forms of PVP and visa versa. This rotation helps to relive the boredom greatly.

Go have a break, try something new and see if you want to come back after a few months. You may even find that little tingling sensation again when you come back to find new stuff!

Oh and rofl at Zinger's WOW worship, only thing you give to the forums these days are doom and gloom posts, who do you think actually takes you seriously these days?

Bryant Again · Jul 03, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by lennymon

Hey Zinger, if yer playing WoW, why are you here still out of curiosity? Is it just to stir the pot?

Maybe he, like me, still has a large and general concern for the game and it's community, maybe?

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Leaving aside the argument of whether Level Caps are "good" or "bad", there is no doubt in my mind they cost Anet sales.

Oh hell yeah, especially the easy to attain level 20. I know so many early players who hear about that and go "WHAT? LEVEL 20??? EFF THIS." It didn't bother me too much since I always try the game first.

And yes, while the lvl 20 cap is something that makes it different, it is something that made it pretty boring.

And Zinger, glad you were able to stick to a server. Why did you want new servers anyways? There's so many dead servers out there.

Delta_24 · Jul 03, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by MirageMaster

GW sucks now,anet ruined it beyond belive.Anet can forget about GW2,ppl who got brains wont buy it,it offers nothing new or exciting.lol anet even found a way to screw GWEN for me since charr wont be a faction like that stupid azura or damn nords.Forums arent for expressing anything other then asskisisng devs,did i mentioned that loading times suck on this board lol.

1) The game is still pretty much up and running with many still enjoying it.
2) Are you saying I've got no brains, because I'm planning on buying it. Less flaming ftw.
3) Charr might well be a faction, we don't know. The game is not out yet, but whats to stop them adding to it?
4) Am I 'asskissing' the devs here? I'd not say I am, so yeah: less flaming ftw.
5) Could you do any better with a forum that attracts well over 1500+ people at a time?

Servant of Kali · Jul 03, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Threads like these pop up when some players mistake the game for Life.

Bryant Again · Jul 03, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Hmmm, lemme fix this for ya:

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Originally Posted by Delta_24

5) Could you do any better with a forum that attracts well over 1500+ whinersat a time?

There you go. Fixed! (sadly)

Phantom Gun · Jul 03, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Well it sounds like you were a very devoted player. Maybe a little to devoted "no offense", but if you were enjoying yourself then great! Anyway I agree that you should take a break. I played for a long time and finaly got bored. I took a break for 2 months and came back refreshed. I made my new Rt/N and have accomplished quite a bit since I came back. The main thing is I was having fun while doing it. That's all that really matters in the end.

It's pretty much 2 months until GW:EN comes out so that would leave you with plenty of time for a good break. Maybe that will leave you enough time to come check out GW:EN feeling refreshed.

As for your stance on GW2, yeah I agree it sucks we can't take our characters over. But in the long run I think i'll be having fun anyway trying out the new races, and exploring the future Tyria. At least they are giving us something for our hard work. It's better then nothing that's for sure. I read in one of the interviews that it's going to be more then just a silly hat and title.

Well good luck with whatever you do.